-si les W's perdent ce tirage au sort il seront classés 8èmes et dans ce cas de figure ne pourront plus compter que sur un improbable coup de bol le jour de la Lottery, c'est à dire sur les 12.4% de chances qu'aura le 8ème de tirer une des 3 combinaisons lui permettant d'accéder au Top3
-si GS gagne ce tirage au sort face à TOR ils auront 72.5% de chances de terminer dans le Top7 et donc de conserver leur pick (59.9% de rester 7èmes ou 12.6% de finir dans le Top3)
Les W's vont donc jouer toute leur saison en quelques secondes à pile ou face lors du tirage au sort de ce soir
C'est quand même fou ! bonjour la poussée d'adrénaline !
Ca méritait bien un petit sondage
The Number 9 a dit : Ouais on a déja pas mal parlé de ce trade bizarre. Les avis étaient assez partagé avec de bons arguments des deux côtés. Mais au vu des événements, je maintiens mon avis, ce trade était débile.
Parlé sur quel topic ? Ca m'interesse de lire les arguments de ceux qui trouvent que perdre leur pick dans ce trade était une bonne idée pour NJN
Je sais plus "transfert" ou tout simplement "NJ Nets". Il faut quand même voir qu'ils esperaient encore la qualif en PO les Nets. Leur idée c'était associer Wallace à D-Will, que la mayonnaise prenne direct et qu'ils coiffent NY sur le poteau (NY qui avec les blessures, ... n'était pas assuré du spot8). L'idée n'est pas ridicule (même si un top3 protected pour le seul Wallace c'est abusé), mais ça n'a pas marché.
The Number 9 a dit : Ouais on a déja pas mal parlé de ce trade bizarre. Les avis étaient assez partagé avec de bons arguments des deux côtés. Mais au vu des événements, je maintiens mon avis, ce trade était débile.
Parlé sur quel topic ? Ca m'interesse de lire les arguments de ceux qui trouvent que perdre leur pick dans ce trade était une bonne idée pour NJN
Je sais plus "transfert" ou tout simplement "NJ Nets".
Il faut quand même voir qu'ils esperaient encore la qualif en PO les Nets. Leur idée c'était associer Wallace à D-Will, que la mayonnaise prenne direct et qu'ils coiffent NY sur le poteau (NY qui avec les blessures, ... n'était pas assuré du spot8).
L'idée n'est pas ridicule (même si un top3 protected pour le seul Wallace c'est abusé), mais ça n'a pas marché.
Sinon hop ! une petite W supplémentaire SAC cette nuit
Un gros peloton s'est formé une W devant nous et si ça continue on va se retrouver 5ème d'un coup
Edith : je dis 5ème car je compte également beaucoup sur TOR et son calendrier facile pour redresser un peu la tête
The Number 9 a dit : Ouais on a déja pas mal parlé de ce trade bizarre. Les avis étaient assez partagé avec de bons arguments des deux côtés. Mais au vu des événements, je maintiens mon avis, ce trade était débile.
Parlé sur quel topic ?
Ca m'interesse de lire les arguments de ceux qui trouvent que perdre leur pick dans ce trade était une bonne idée pour NJN
Bill-Yves a dit : 2012 NBA Draft Race (Suite) Le mec qui a signé le trade devait être bourré c'est pas possible autrement sachant qu'au moment de la signature il y avait déjà un gap de 5 W entre le 3ème plus mauvais et NJ
LOL
C'est clair, ce pick de Portland classé n°4 dans NBAdraft.net m'intriguais Portland a quand même fait un bon gros coup avec ce trade
Ouais on a déja pas mal parlé de ce trade bizarre.
Les avis étaient assez partagé avec de bons arguments des deux côtés. Mais au vu des événements, je maintiens mon avis, ce trade était débile.
Bill-Yves a dit : 2012 NBA Draft Race (Suite) Mauvaise semaine pour les Warriors qui ajoutent 2 W à leur compteur et perdent ainsi encore un peu plus de terrain sur la concurrence Les 6 teams de l'Est continuent à se moquer du monde, bien qu'évoluant dans une Conf de merde elles cumulent 5 Wins en tout cette semaine pendant que les 3 représentants de l'Ouest en signent 6 Mention spéciale à NJN qui bénéficiait pourtant d'un schedule en or massif (vs NOH,CLE,WAS,CHA/@ATL)
Voilà ce que j'avais écrit il y a 8 jours
Je ne comprenais pas comment NJN avait pu perdre tous ces matchs faciles d'autant qu'aujourd'hui ils sont quasi irrésistibles avec un schedule pourtant plus difficile
Je ne comprenais pas parce que j'avais tout simplement raté un épisode
NJN a fait la connerie monumentale de trader à POR son 1er choix de draft contre Wallace (pourquoi pas) mais seulement Top3 protected
Le mec qui a signé le trade devait être bourré c'est pas possible autrement sachant qu'au moment de la signature il y avait déjà un gap de 5 W entre le 3ème plus mauvais et NJ
Dégrisé, le GM a du demander un tankage en règle pendant dix jours (d'où ces défaites incompréhensibles) pour rattraper le coup, mais peine perdue car ça fait belle lurette que les 3 cancres sont solidement et définitivement accrochés au Top 3
Du coup les Nets se sont remis à gagner plutôt que de perdre pour rien et surtout remonter le plus haut possible dans la hiérarchie pour avoir l'air moins cons en faisant en sorte que le pick récupéré par POR soit le moins bon possible
Tant pis pour eux et tant mieux pour nous car ça ne peut que nous aider dans notre quête de la 7ème place
Enfin quel cadeau fait à Portland ! il y a vraiment des deals bizarres en NBA
NJ cherchait à améliorer son effectif pour séduire Deron et les Nets ne trouvent rien de mieux à faire que de se priver d'un des cadors d'une draft réputée forte
Surtout que ce sont les mêmes qui viendront rire d'une équipe mal gérée, qui végètera en fond de classement pendant des années.
Autant je veux bien que tanker dès le mois de janvier, c'est très laid. Mais à un mois de la fin de saison, ton seul objectif c'est la draft, donc t'essaie de t'y placer du mieux possible.
Et y a un moment où il faut être réaliste et penser à ce qu'il y a de mieux pour la franchise. Et pour pas mal d'équipes pourries, la draft est clairement une opportunité d'améliorer l'effectif. Surtout cette année.
En plus, c'est pas une question d'être drôle, y a pas de fierté à tanker...
Anonyme a dit : Je trouve pas ça très drôle la "course à la dernière place" qui a ironiquement pris place en fil rouge sur ce topic ... C'est plutôt pathétique même !
Je ne retiens pas, va chouiner ailleurs l'ano si ça te plait pas
En cas d'égalité de bilan (sachant que GSW ne rencontrera plus aucune de ces teams d'ici à la fin de la saison) :
CLE : GSW sera classé devant CLE
TOR :GSW sera classé derrière TOR
SAC : GSW sera classé devant SAC
NJN : GSW sera classé derrière NJN
DET : GSW sera classé devant DET
En clair il nous faudrait une L de moins que CLE, SAC et DET pour leur passer devant à la lottery race alors que revenir à hauteur de TOR et NJN suffirait
Le vrai gap à ce jour est donc le suivant :
GSW : 0
NJN : #1
DET: #2
TOR: #2
SAC: #3
CLE: #4
Je crois qu'on peut d'ores et déjà oublier CLE, voire SAC
Ca devrait donc se jouer entre NJN, DET et TOR, et il faut qu'on en passe 2 sur les 3
Ca va vraiment être tendu
Edith : sous réserves d'éventuelles égalités à 3, mais il reste trop de confrontations croisées pour le savoir aujourd'hui
Edith2 : en fait si puisque D3 à l'avantage sur tout le monde sauf nous, et TOR qu'ils reçoivent. Donc si une autre team que nous est à égalité avec D3 on peut passer quand même.. à voir.
Mais non il est parfait je te dis
Quand il fait une connerie (son dernier 3 pts), immédiatement aprés il s'arrange pour mettre son vis à vis dans un fauteuil pour rattraper le coup (cf PbP, le tournant de ce match )
Spurs9 a dit : Faudra aussi penser à freiner RJ,depuis qu'il est chez vous il est plutôt bon,il pourrait vous gagner un match par inadvertance
La plupart du temps il arrose à tout va, il ne plante que quand ça ne risque rien (en tous cas pour l'instant)
Et puis (malheureusement ) il lui reste deux ans de contrat donc ça ne le dérange pas de tout mettre à côté, il aura de quoi faire bouffer sa famille quoiqu'il arrive
RJ dans notre situation c'est "the perfect fit" !
Garcy22 a dit : Bidul, si tu entends des rumeurs sur les joueurs ciblés par GSW à la draft pour le pick #7, n'hésite pas à partager.
Chaque chose en son temps
Pour l'instant on est toujours 9 èmes et même si on termine 7 èmes ou mieux, les balles de ping pong peuvent nous rejeter 8 èmes ou pire, et dans ce cas c'est UTA qui choisira
Perso j'ai pas changé d'avis c'est lui que je veux, même si sa cote a baissé et même si je ne connais absolument pas les autres
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Je veux ce mec là ! le nouveau D12
Commissioner David Stern doesn't like tanking and doesn't want to have to explain to fans the difference between that and legitimate planning for the future, so he is vigilant. Stern's tank radar is on.
Dice a dit : Ces saletés de Cavs sont visiblement meilleurs que vous dans l'exercice du tankage...
Difficile de faire mieux pourtant..
Depuis le trade Ellis/Udoh : 11 défaites pour 13 games (NOH, SAC)
Et encore, les Kings ont préféré jeter la balle dans les tribunes lors de leur dernière possession ce qui nous a privé ce soir là d'une défaite plus que méritée
Mais je reconnais que les Cavs font aussi fort avec leur 10 défaites pour 11 games dans la même période
The Number 9 a dit : Cool si tu nous fait un classement des dernières places. Detroit ne va pas tanker visiblement, bonne chose pour vous (moins pour nous mais bon).
Logiquement pendant encore quelques matchs on devrait être les seuls à le faire car les seuls à en avoir quasi l'obligation
Par contre pour les tous derniers games ça risque de tanker tous azimuts afin de se placer au mieux
Donc pour nous c'est maintenant que ça se joue
Sinon de rien et bienvenue au Tankerland
Une fois n'est pas coutume je me suis contenté du dernier QT du game de cette nuit
Et j'ai vraiment souffert car comme d'hab les Lakers ne l'ont emporté que sur le fil, sans Bynum certes, mais face à une team encore plus dépourvue à ce poste
Une team de rookies qui ne cherche qu'à perdre rappelons le
Le tournant du match : le trey de Peace , tout seul avec 20 secondes pour shooter.. une merveille de tankage défensif à montrer dans toutes les écoles
SAC vs NJN tonite et donc une de ces deux teams se rapprochera à une seule petite W de GS, qui restera dernier du Bottom9 quoiqu'il arrive, mais peut-être plus pour trés longtemps
D'autant que si D3 bat CHA 2h30 avant, une autre team reviendra à 1 seule W des Warriors
Putain en voilà une défaite qui fait du bien !
A +20 j'y croyais plus et j'avais tort
16-32 dans le dernier QT ! good job guys !
Sacto qui gagne aussi et un schedule terrible qui nous attend
En route to the draft !
How to Annoy a Fan Base in 60 Easy Steps
Once upon a time, the Warriors ruled the NBA; now they're being booed in their own building
By Bill Simmons on March 21, 2012
http://www.grantland.com/
You might not know this, you might not believe it … but once upon a time, the Golden State Warriors won the NBA championship.
The big day happened in the spring of 1975, well before things like cable TV, DirecTV, computers, video games, iPads, iPods, CDs, DVDs, Blu-rays, e-mails and the Internet. They swept Washington in the Finals thanks to a transcendent effort from Rick Barry, one of the best 25 players of all time and the finest passing forward of his generation. The following spring, the heavily favored Warriors blew their chance to repeat because Barry fought Phoenix's Ricky Sobers in the first half of Game 7 of the Western Finals, bristled when his teammates didn't defend him, then refused to shoot for the next hour.
And so it began. Three and a half decades later, the Golden State Warriors have morphed into the most tortured franchise in professional basketball. Unlike the Clippers (a perennial laughingstock until recently), the Suns (a classic came-oh-so-close team), the Cavaliers (not even the second-most tortured franchise in their own city) and Kings (historical nomads), the Warriors lack an identity beyond the whole "they suck every year, they always screw up, but at least they have great fans" tag. Doesn't that really mean that their fans are just loyal saps? What keeps them coming back? At what point do you just throw your hands up and scream, "ENOUGH"?
After they booed current owner Joe Lacob during Chris Mullin Night on Monday — and booed, and kept booing, and booed some more, and even kept booing after Mullin and Barry begged them to stop — to casual observers, it seemed like an especially mean-spirited act by an especially mean-spirited group of fans. It's a little more complicated than that. You can't blame people for failing to act sane after they've been already driven insane. Here's how the Warriors drove their fans crazy in 60 steps.
1. After stealing future Hall of Famer Robert Parish with the no. 8 pick of the 1976 draft, another loaded Warriors team underachieved (46 wins) before dropping a Game 7 to Kareem's Lakers in Round 2. That summer, the NBA started its first ever "free agency" period and the Warriors immediately lost their two young stars: Gus Williams and Jamaal Wilkes. Their compensation? The no. 5 pick in the 1978 draft (for Wilkes) and cash (for Williams). Cash? Williams and Wilkes ended up winning a combined four titles.
2. With that no. 5 pick in 1978, the Warriors picked Purvis Short. The next pick? Larry Joe Bird.
3. To nobody's surprise, Golden State's win total dropped from 43 to 38 to 24 in the first three seasons after Williams and Wilkes fled for greener pastures. Meanwhile, Houston signed Barry in the summer of 1978, giving up talented point guard John Lucas as compensation. Considered the future in Golden State, Lucas became The Future Of Drug Abuse for the NBA. He wouldn't conquer his addiction until late in his career … well after the Warriors dumped him for two no. 2 picks.
4. Right around here, the NBA draft decided to hit the Warriors over the head with a steel chair. No matter what the Warriors did — trade their picks, trade for picks, trade up, trade down, trade sideways, trade upside down while holding their breath — it was invariably the wrong move. They traded their no. 1 pick in 1979 for Boston's Jo Jo White, who played 120 more games before retiring.1 Right before the 1980 draft, they traded their starting center and their no. 3 overall pick to Boston for the no. 1 pick and the no. 13 pick. The Warriors picked Joe Barry Carroll and Rickey Brown. The Celtics ended up with Robert Parish and Kevin McHale. By the way, that was another bad sign for an NBA franchise: Red Auerbach going out of his way to trade with you.
5. During that same draft, the Warriors gave away the rights to future All-Star center Jeff Ruland for somebody named Sam Williams. They also traded Phil Smith and their 1984 no. 1 pick for the immortal World B. Free,2 as well as Wayne Cooper and a second-round pick for a troubled forward named Bernard King. King worked out his demons over the next two years before signing a 1982 offer sheet with the Knicks. As compensation, the Warriors received former All-Star Micheal Ray Richardson, who was so messed up by drugs at this point that NBA TV eventually made an entire documentary about it. Bernard hit the Big Apple and immediately became one of the league's best players. Micheal Ray hit the Bay Area and immediately did everything unsavory short of freebasing Alcatraz. He didn't last four months before the Warriors shipped him to New Jersey for rookie Sleepy Floyd. Hey, anytime you can turn a cocaine addict into someone named Sleepy, you have to do it.
6. Did you know the Warriors spent the sixth pick of the 1983 draft on a center from Purdue named Russell Cross? Yes, Clyde Drexler, Dale Ellis, Derek Harper and Jeff Malone were still on the board. Cross played 45 games in his career. Not 450. Forty-five.
7. During the Cocaine Era (1977-1986), the Warriors somehow ended up with three of the league's most notorious coke guys (King, Richardson and Lucas) and an interesting stigma: As legend had it, the Oakland Hyatt (where visiting teams stayed) was the best place in the league to score drugs, so struggling players routinely fell off the wagon during their Golden State trip. Oh, and if you're scoring at home, the Warriors didn't make the playoffs for nine straight seasons … from 1978 to 1986. Everybody lost in Oakland. Even the visiting players.3
8. A few months after the '84 Celtics won the title with Parish and McHale, Joe Barry Carroll (nicknamed "Joe Barely Cares" by the New York Post's Peter Vecsey) signed with an Italian team for one season.4 The suddenly center-less Warriors finished with the league's worst record (22-60) during the same year that (a) Patrick Ewing entered the draft, and (b) the NBA randomly decided to try their first-ever draft lottery. David Stern picked seven envelopes out of a glass case, one at a time, with the Warriors becoming his seventh-favorite envelope. They ended up taking St. John's star Chris Mullin with the seventh pick; he battled an alcohol problem for his first two NBA seasons before finally finding sobriety.
9. The 1986 Warriors stumbled to 30 wins and lost another lottery, using their third pick on Chris Washburn, a talented but troubled center who only played 43 games as a rookie because of the rarely seen kidney infection/drug rehab double whammy. Washburn never wore a Warriors jersey again, eventually getting banned by the NBA for failing three drug tests in two years. Other than that, it was probably the right pick.
10. Led by a young George Karl, the 1987 Warriors were Golden State's best team in 10 years: They won a first-round series over Utah thanks to Joe Barely Cares and Sleepy, then got steamrolled by the eventual champion Lakers … but not before winning a spectacular Game 4 in which Sleepy eviscerated the eventual-champ Lakers (in what became known as "The Sleepy Floyd Game"). For the first time, the Warriors had some hope.
11. Within five months, the Warriors blew up that team: They traded Purvis Short for a future first-rounder, then swapped Joe Barely Cares and Sleepy for former All-Star center Ralph Sampson … who, of course, was battling knee problems and played 90 increasingly lousy games before being flipped to Sacramento for Jim Peterson. The good news: Sampson played two more games for Golden State than Russell Cross and Chris Washburn combined.
12. Three weeks after the Sampson/Carroll/Floyd trade, the Warriors hired Don Nelson as their GM. Karl resigned a few months later, with Nellie taking over and eventually building his team around Mullin, Mitch Richmond (their no. 5 pick in 1988), 1989 first-rounder Tim Hardaway (14th overall) and an exciting Lithuanian guard named Sarunas Marciulionis. The TMC Warriors were born.
13. During the 1989 draft, they also flipped the no. 16 pick (Dana Barros) for Seattle's no. 1 pick in 1990. Six weeks later, the Warriors flipped that pick back to Seattle for Alton Lister. It ended up being the second overall pick of the 1990 draft. That's right, Gary Payton.
14. You might remember everyone enjoying the TMC Warriors in 1991: They won 44 games, averaged 116.6 points, broke ground with their wide-open/spread-the-floor/slash-and-kick offensive game and even won a playoff series (over David Robinson's Spurs) before succumbing to the Lakers (in a series that included multiple ESPN Classic games). Their best three players (Mullin, Hardaway and Richmond) were 27, 26 and 24 years old.
15. Naturally, the Warriors blew things up again, flipping Richmond to Sacramento for the rights to Billy Owens, a talented but sluggish forward who (you're not going to believe this) never reached his potential for Golden State. The Warriors spent two other first-rounders on Chris Gatling (no. 16) and Victor Alexander (no. 17) in their ongoing quest to land a center … you know, as Parish was starting his 12th season in Boston.
16. The 1992 Warriors won 55 games, featured two of the league's best 10 players (Hardaway and Mullin), averaged an astonishing 118.7 points per game and grabbed a 3-seed in the playoffs. What happened? The upstart Sonics shocked them in four games, with the defining moment being Shawn Kemp's ferocious dunk on Lister … you know, the guy Golden State acquired for the future rights to Gary Payton.5
17. The following year, Mullin, Hardaway and Owens missed a combined 107 games for the 34-win Warriors, who earned the third pick and pulled off a blockbuster trade: They sent the draft rights to Penny Hardaway and three other no. 1s (1996, 1998 and 2000) to Orlando for the no. 1 overall pick (Michigan star Chris Webber). Of course, this happened during the worst possible season to have a high draft pick — salaries were totally out of control and rookies had too much leverage, so the Warriors were forced to sign Webber to a 15-year, $74.4 million deal that, incredibly, gave Webber an out after his first season. Hold that thought.
18. The '94 Warriors featured an incredible starting five on paper: Webber, Mullin, Hardaway, Latrell Sprewell and Billy Owens. And that's where it stayed: on paper. Hardaway blew out an ACL before the season. The team was talented enough that they won 50 games before being swept by Phoenix in Round 1. Somehow getting demolished by Barkley's greatest game (56 points in Game 3) would end up being Golden State's only ESPN Classic-worthy highlight for 13 solid years.
19. That summer, assistant coach Gregg Popovich left to run the San Antonio Spurs, eventually winning four titles and becoming one of the best NBA coaches ever.
20. That fall, Webber decided that he didn't want to play center anymore, exercised his one-year option and demanded a trade. The Warriors quickly dealt Owens to Miami for center Rony Seikaly to make him happy. Webber still wasn't happy — he wanted the trade. New Warriors owner Chris Cohan backed Nelson and sent Webber to Washington for Tom Gugliotta and three first-round picks (1996, 1998 and 2000). All three of those picks eventually landed in the lottery, and yet the Warriors ended up with Todd Fuller (no. 11), Keon Clark (no. 13) and Chris Mihm (no. 7; sent to Washington).
21. We can't just casually skip over this Webber thing. He had just won Rookie of the Year and unleashed a free-flowing, up-and-down, uber-athletic, cerebral offensive game that had absolutely nothing in common with anything that had ever happened in the NBA before. If 1994 Me wrote my annual "Who Has the Highest Trade Value" column that summer, Shaq would have gone first, Robinson and Hakeem would have gone second and third, and Webber would have gone fourth … yes, ahead of Karl Malone, Scottie Pippen, Shawn Kemp, Grant Hill and everyone else. When someone that talented blows through your city and disappears just as fast, you don't just salvage that, and you certainly don't recover from it. The Warriors were never, ever the same.
22. With Webber gone, the Warriors became Latrell Sprewell's team. The good news: Spree was coming off a First-Team All-NBA nod the previous year. The bad news: He was Latrell Sprewell.
23. Within four months, Nelson resigned as coach and GM, just a couple of weeks before Golden State flipped Gugliotta to Minnesota for the perennially disappointing Donyell Marshall. The Warriors won 26 games and the no. 1 overall pick, taking Maryland star Joe Smith ahead of the next four selections … Antonio McDyess, Jerry Stackhouse, Rasheed Wallace and Kevin Garnett. Defensible at the time. I swear.
24. Over the course of the 1995-96 season, the Warriors turned four former no. 1 picks (Hardaway, Gatling, Alexander and Carlos Rogers) into some guaranteed mediocrity (Kevin Willis, Bimbo Coles and BJ Armstrong), winning 36 games behind up-and-coming coach Rick Adelman. Of course, that knocked them out of the top six of a loaded lottery (Allen Iverson, Marcus Camby, Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Stephon Marbury, Ray Allen, Antoine Walker). They took Todd Fuller 11th. Four of the next six picks: Kobe Bryant, Peja Stojakovic, Steve Nash, Jermaine O'Neal.
25. You know what's sad? We're not even close to being done yet.
26. In November of '96, the Warriors traded Seikaly and Clifford Rozier (yet another Warriors first-round pick who didn't make it) to Orlando for Felton Spencer, Jon Koncak and Donald Royal. If you remember, they acquired Seikaly for Billy Owens, who was acquired for Mitch Richmond … who, by the way, averaged 24 points a game in Sacramento and made five straight All-Star teams from 1993 to 1997.
27. Coming off another lottery season (30 wins), the '97 Warriors fired Adelman, hired college coach P.J. Carlesimo and spent the eighth pick of the draft on Colgate center Adonal Foyle. The next pick? Tracy McGrady. I love the mind-set that it's too risky to take a high schooler, but it's not risky at all to take someone from Colgate. Ladies and gentlemen, the Golden State Warriors!
28. That concluded a 20-year run with the following lowlights: five playoff appearances; 13 playoff victories total; three no. 1 overall picks and two other picks in the top three; eight players traded who ended up starting for a championship team or making a first- or second-team All-NBA (McHale, Parish, Webber, Hardaway, Richmond, Williams, Wilkes, King … and that doesn't include Payton), three future Hall of Fame coaches who passed through on their way to a better place (Popovich, Karl, Adelman), two valuable bench guys buried in Golden State who thrived elsewhere (Mario Elie and John Starks), an All-Rehab Starting Five (King, Richardson, Mullin, Washburn, Lucas) and a Hall of Fame Absolutely-Coulda-Drafted-Him Starting Five (Bird, Garnett, Kobe, T-Mac and Payton, with McHale coming off the bench).
29. Somehow, things would only get worse. From that point forward, no Warrior would make an All-Star team.6
30. In August of 1997, the Warriors traded their most popular player ever (Mullin) to Indiana for Erick Dampier and Duane Ferrell. Four months later, their best player (Sprewell) was suspended for the rest of the season for choking Carlesimo during practice … not once, but twice.
31. Read those last two sentences again.
32. With another season imploding and Smith possibly heading toward free agency, the Warriors sent him to Philly for Clarence Weatherspoon and Jimmy Jackson. That's right, they somehow turned the first overall picks in 1993 and 1995 into Donyell Marshall, Weatherspoon and Jackson. Even Billy King couldn't do that. (Thinking.) You're right, Billy King could probably do that.
33. Still reeling from a 19-win season highlighted by an agonizingly boring lawsuit — the Players Association suing to get Sprewell paid during his suspension, and somehow winning, even though, again, HE CHOKED HIS COACH — Warriors fans finally caught a break when electric rookie Vince Carter fell to them at no. 5. Naturally, this lasted about 15 minutes: They ended up flipping Carter's rights to Toronto for Antawn Jamison's rights, even throwing in some cash to make it happen. The silver lining, if there was one: They never had a chance to have their hearts won and eventually broken by Vince Carter.
34. After the '99 lockout ended, the Warriors traded Sprewell to the Knicks for two expensive veterans (Chris Mills and John Starks), then signed Jason Caffey for $35 million, obliterating Golden State's cap for the next few years like it was the climactic scene of a Michael Bay movie.
35. A rejuvenated Sprewell ended up leading the Knicks to the 1999 Finals, where they lost to Gregg Popovich's Spurs. Also happening that season: Hardaway led the no. 1 seed in the East (and made second-team All-NBA); Mullin started for the no. 2 seed in the East; a rejuvenated C-Webb led Adelman's wildly exciting Kings team to the playoffs (and made second-team All-NBA); Nelson rebuilt the Mavericks around Nash and Dirk Nowitzki; and Carter won the Rookie of the Year award. Other than that, the Warriors fans weren't bitter at all.
36. The lockout team finished 21-29, just good enough to knock them out of the top nine of the '99 draft (narrowly missing Rip Hamilton, Andre Miller and Shawn Marion). Their big moves that summer: They signed Dampier to a seven-year, $48 million extension, then turned Bimbo Coles and the 10th pick (Jason Terry) into Mookie Blaylock, Vonteego Cummings and a 2001 no. 1 pick. Could any other team make a trade that involved Bimbo, Mookie AND Vonteego?
37. At this point, Warriors fans were rooting for another lockout. Their team won 19 games the following year and somehow didn't have a no. 1 pick because they gave their own pick up six years earlier in the C-Webb trade (turned out to be no. 5 overall: Mike Miller), then traded the rights to Washington's no. 1 pick (turned out to be seventh overall: Chris Mihm) with Starks for former lottery pick Larry Hughes and old friend Billy Owens. Don't worry, they made some other lousy moves that summer: re-signing Foyle for $18 million; trading Caffey for Bobby Sura; and trading Marshall and Billy Curley for Danny Fortson and Adam Keefe.
38. If you're scoring at home: Chris Webber > Tom Gugliotta > Donyell Marshall > Danny Fortson.
39. The 2001 Warriors had more players (22) than wins (17). The league's second-worst record earned them the fifth pick (Jason Richardson); they also drafted Troy Murphy (with the pick from the Blaylock/Terry trade) and stole Gilbert Arenas in the second round. Naturally, they celebrated that draft haul by egregiously overpaying Jamison (six years, $85 million).
40. Next year's team won 21 games … which somehow made them the most successful Warriors edition of the last five years. Their win totals following the catastrophic C-Webb trade: 26, 36, 30, 19, 21, 19, 17, 21. And that still doesn't capture how much it killed the franchise to lose Chris Webber.
41. That summer, Larry Hughes signed a free agent deal with Washington. The blossoming young Warriors didn't miss him, gelling behind Jamison, Arenas, Richardson, Murphy and rookie Mike Dunleavy Jr. (the no. 3 pick in 2002) for 38 wins and official "up-and-coming" status. Even if it knocked them out of the LeBron/Wade/Carmelo/Bosh sweepstakes, Warriors fans didn't care — they knew they probably would have ended up with Darko, anyway.
42. Things fell apart yet again that summer: Because Arenas was a second-round pick, he became a restricted free agent after two seasons and signed a blockbuster offer sheet with Washington … and the Warriors couldn't match it because they had already clogged their cap with Jamison and Dampier. Shaken, the Warriors responded by drafting Mickael Pietrus, signing Speedy Claxton, flipping Sura for Cliff Robinson, and trading Jamison and a clump of contracts (Fortson, Chris Mill and Jiri Welsch) to Dallas for Nick Van Exel and a bunch of nobodies. And just like that, "up-and-coming" turned into "down-and-going."
43. That made four straight times (along with 1987, 1991 and 1994) in which the Warriors responded to a promising turn of events by immediately blowing things up. Anyway, the 2004 Warriors overachieved (37 wins), fired their coach (Eric Musselman) and GM (Garry St. Jean), hired Stanford's Mike Montgomery (their sixth head coach in nine years, not counting interims) and put local hero Chris Mullin in charge. Mully kicked things off by drafting Andris Biedrins 11th, spending $79 million on Adonal Foyle and Derek Fisher, giving Dampier away to Dallas for a bunch of crap, then trading all of that crap to Denver four months later for lottery bust Nikoloz Tskitishvili. Uh-oh.
Some good news: Mully also traded Claxton, Dale Davis and cash for Baron Davis. If you're scoring at home, that's our first good Warriors trade since … I mean … Wayne Cooper for Bernard King? Chris Washburn for a ham sandwich? I can't remember. After their 10th straight lottery season (34 wins), the Warriors blew another lottery pick (Ike Diogu, no. 9) but stole Monta Ellis in Round 2. The pieces of the "We Believe" season had finally fallen into place, only we didn't know it yet.
44. Lather, rinse, repeat: After the 2006 Warriors won 34 games for the second straight year. Mully went old-school, fired Montgomery and hired … good God, that's Don Nelson's music! Warriors fans were so excited, they didn't even care that the Warriors just blew another lottery pick (Patrick O'Bryant, ninth overall). In January of 2007, Mully jumped on Indiana's need to clean house post-melee by swapping three former top-14 picks (Diogu, Dunleavy and Murphy) for Al Harrington and Stephen Jackson.
Do you believe? You better believe. Because …
The Warriors finished over .500! (42-40, but still.)
And made the playoffs! (As an 8-seed, but still.)
And shocked the no. 1 seed Mavericks in Round 1! (Wait, what????)
And nearly toppled the Jazz in Round 2! (Sooooooo close … I'm still shaking my head.)
Other things that happened that spring: A rarely seen triple rejuvenation (Baron Davis, Don Nelson, Stephen Jackson); everyone realizing/remembering that the Warriors' home crowd trumps just about everyone when it actually has something to root for; the Warriors becoming YouTube's first official NBA team; the "We Believe" tidal wave; and, of course, Golden State's first playoff appearance in 13 years, first trip to the second round in 16 years and sixth taste of the postseason since 1977.
45. In true Warriors fashion, the team celebrated the previous paragraph for exactly one month before blowing things up.
46. They traded Richardson to Charlotte for the eighth pick of the 2007 draft, then took Brandan Wright one spot ahead of Joakim Noah. With their own pick (no. 18), they drafted Marco Belinelli to replace Richardson. So … yeah.
47. The '08 Warriors won 48 games — their highest win total since 1994 — but somehow made history by winning the most games by any team that didn't make the playoffs. Only the Warriors. That summer, they lost Baron Davis (signed by the Clippers for $60 million), missed out on Elton Brand (went to Philly), then panic-signed Corey Maggette to a five-year, $50 million deal. That summer was the equivalent of the gang fight in Anchorman — things got out of hand pretty fast, and I think Brick killed a guy.
48. I forgot: That same summer, they traded a future no. 1 pick to New Jersey for the rights to troubled rookie Marcus Williams … who ended up playing nine games for them. On the bright side, this made Russell Cross and Chris Washburn feel better. Four years later, Utah owns the rights to that "future" draft choice; unless it lands in the top seven, Golden State will lose that pick. We No Longer Believe.
49. That same summer, Mully spent $129 million on six-year extensions for Biedrins (gulp) and Ellis … who celebrated a few weeks later by crashing his motor scooter, tearing ankle ligaments, then trying to cover up the accident before getting caught. The Warriors suspended him without pay for 30 games, which he couldn't have played anyway because, again, he ripped up his ankle riding a motor scooter.
50. Needless to say, the 2009 Warriors won 29 games and declined to renew Mully's extension. His replacement? Larry Riley, who kicked things off by trading Jamal Crawford (acquired for Harrington a few months earlier) for Acie Law and Claxton (he's back!), then dealing Law and Jackson to Charlotte for two overpaid role players (Vlad Radmanovic and Raja Bell). At this point, frustrated Warriors fans were doing everything but staging daily "PLEASE COHAN YOU HAVE TO SELL" protests outside Oracle Arena.
51. One lucky thing happened: Thanks to David Kahn, Stephen Curry magically fell to Golden State at no. 7. That didn't stop Nellie from mailing in the 2009-10 season, allowing Keith Smart to run practices, burying lottery pick Anthony Randolph (yet another Warriors pick that didn't work) and seeming openly bored during games. Like he was daring the Warriors to fire him so he could move back to Maui or something.
(Oh, wait, he was. I forgot.)
52. Turns out that having a negligent coach affects your team: The Warriors won 26 games and capped things off by picking Ekpe Udoh sixth right between DeMarcus Cousins and Greg Monroe. Just when you thought they were running out of ways to annihilate their fans, they overpaid free agent forward David Lee (six years, $80 million) and dumped Maggette for two not-quite-as-awful-but-considerably-more-useless contracts (Dan Gadzuric and Charlie Bell). To recap: Baron Davis > Elton Brand > Corey Maggette > Dan Gadzuric & Charlie Bell. WE BELIEVE … IN AN ANAL PROBE!!!"
53. In July of 2010, former Celtics minority owner Joe Lacob purchased the Warriors from Cohan, said all the right things, seemed intelligent/confident/competent and promised to turn things around. Still, the emotionally scarred Golden State fans agreed it was probably a good idea to keep their guard up.
54. Last year's team underachieved because of its undersized backcourt (Ellis and Curry), bad luck (an elbow infection ruined Lee's season), poor management (see above) and the usual problems that happen when you build around three players who happen to be three of the league's worst defenders. The 2011 Warriors eked out 36 victories and earned themselves yet another lottery pick (Klay Thompson, picked 11th). The best thing that happened to them that summer? The lockout! You can't do anything dumb when there's a lockout. I'm almost positive.
55. The facts heading into this season: The Warriors missed the playoffs 29 times in 35 years … the Warriors won four playoff series total in 34 years … the Warriors haven't made the playoffs for two straight seasons since 1977 … the Warriors haven't made the Conference Finals since 1976 … the Warriors haven't had an All-Star since 1997 … the Warriors have earned spots at 16 of the last 17 lotteries (impossible but true) … the Warriors have made 22 top-14 picks since 1985 (including 11 in the top eight and five in the top three) … and the Warriors made so many bad first-round picks and overpaid so many guys over the past 35 years that I don't even have time to type all their names again.
56. For some reason, despite everything you just read for more than 4,000 words, Lacob decided to guarantee these tortured fans that their Warriors would make the playoffs this season.
57. He hired Mark Jackson as his new coach (someone with no coaching experience whatsoever) and signed off when Jackson vowed to turn Golden State into an elite defensive team despite the fact that, you know, its best three players couldn't defend anyone.
58. His team used its amnesty on Charlie Bell (one year, $4 million) instead of Andris Biedrins (three years, $27 million) so the Warriors could overpay DeAndre Jordan (four years, $43 million) … only the Clippers matched their Jordan offer, leaving Golden State without any outs with Biedrins (who's been in a funk for four solid years, but hey, who's counting?).
59. His team waived Jeremy Lin to sign second-rounder Charles Jenkins, then claimed after Linsanity took off in New York that they loved Lin and never wanted to lose him.
60. When his team struggled to compete in a brutally tough Western conference, Lacob's staff promptly reversed course and made two of the weirdest trades in a while: sending Ellis and Udoh7 to Milwaukee for the defensive center/rebounder they'd been recklessly pursuing for months (settling on Andrew Bogut, who's injured until April and missed a whopping 108 games these past three-plus years) and Stephen Jackson's Non-Expiring Contract (two years, $19.3 million remaining), then flipped Jackson's Non-Expiring Contract for Richard Jefferson's Apocalypse of a Contract (three years, $30.5 million remaining) and a late first-round pick … AND THEN tried to spin the deal as "We can't make the playoffs, we need to bottom out this season so we finish in the top seven of the lottery and don't lose our first-round pick to Utah." You know, the pick the previous regime gave up for nine games of Marcus Williams.
Now …
Imagine you're a Warriors fan. Imagine you just endured everything just laid out these past 35 years. Imagine you didn't trust your owners, your front office, anybody. Imagine they just traded your most entertaining player for an injury-prone center who can't play, and imagine knowing that you can't sign anyone else for two more summers because Biedrins and Jefferson have clogged your cap like a freshman dorm toilet. Imagine you have some of the best fellow fans in the league, only you rarely if ever have a chance to cheer anything. Imagine hearing that, after months and months of Chris Paul rumors and Dwight Howard rumors and "PLAYOFFS! PLAYOFFS! PLAYOFFS!" rhetoric, your team just abruptly told you, "Oh, by the way, we're going to tank the rest of this season because we don't want to be haunted by a stupid trade from four years ago, but seriously, thanks for paying for season tickets this year."
Imagine you were a paying customer and Chris Mullin Night doubled as the last bankably fun night of the season. Imagine the emotion inside the building with those Warriors legends on hand. Imagine everything cresting with Mully's humble speech. Imagine the arrogance of Lacob grabbing that microphone — somehow deciding that he should be the last speaker of the ceremony, not Chris Mullin — and imagine your resentment over the past 35 years suddenly swelling as you realized, "Here's my one chance to be heard."
Bon bah c'est que j'ai du rêver pendant le Live alors en même temps c'était l'heure pour ça
Merci Baz et désolé de t'avoir infligé cette purge même pendant 3 minutes pour rien
Je viens de regarder les 3 dernieres minutes, j'ai vu Lee hilare sur deux trois sequences mais je n'ai pas le score en arriere plan. La seule image qui pourrait t'interesser serait celle ou le score s'affiche en bas de l'ecran avec Lee sur le banc, la tete dans les mains (sorry pour les accents, je suis en mode bug ^^). Tell me.
Ambiance contrastée cette nuit dans les vestiaires de l'Oracle Arena
Les Hornets,incrédules, maudissaient la salle et ses panneaux pendant que les Warriors se laissaient aller à une joie bien compréhensible.
Monty Williams : " Unreal.. we aimed beside as usual but tonite the ball looked attracted by the rim ! "
Mark Jackson : " We tanked so badly tonite, i'm proud of my guys "
En revanche avec Bogut, Curry (healthy), un rookie top niveau. LA ca devient une equipe d'une, et de 2: une equipe interessante!
mais la 3eme place ? lol non! pas encore tu as le temps !
non mais moi je te redescend tout suite sur terre martin: ton banc des Warriors est a chié! et ton equipe n'avait pas de raquette! le trade de Bogut c'est une aubaine.
Des 2 tu pourra tj en trouver qui font le taff (pas aussi bien que Ellis mais pas loin) alors qu'un Bogut c'est plus rare.
MarK Jackson c'est un coach rookie.... Et tout pourri !
Healthy avec l'effectif du debut de saison les Warriors pourrait se meler a la lutte aux PO ouais .... pour etre au mieux 7eme mais la 8eme place serait deja plus logique... pas en playoffs: de fortes chances!
Qui Golden State aurait jarté des Playoffs ?
C'est la diff' entre le papier et le terrain qui me rend plus nuancé, et surtout le facteur "coaching" !
Après, on sait que l'esprit défensif n'anime pas vraiment la franchise depuis des décennies.
Et puis comme chaque année, les W's sont touchés par une multitude de blessures qui les empêchent de réussir de bons "win streak" nécessaires à se maintenir en haut du classement à l'Ouest.
Martin Baratino ll a dit : Pour le nouveau FO c'est quand même dur de vendre le tankage dés le mois de Janvier alors qu'ils ont promis les POs, je le reconnais
Faut savoir ce que tu veux, mon grand. Et puis, le FO n'a qu'à pas promettre des choses qu'ils savent impossible à tenir, surtout que personne n'annonce clairement vouloir tanker. (Regarde NO justement) L'effectif est (était) pas mal sur le papier, mais avec un coach rookie et une organisation toujours aussi bordélique, une place en POs était déjà très compromise....
C'est clair ce que je veux Nini, depuis la blessure de Brown j'ai jamais changé de discours
Mais moi je suis un peu plus nuancé que toi, un peu plus objectif aussi, en leur trouvant des circonstances atténuantes sur certains sujets
Dire que les W's n'avait pas la team pour faire les POs c'est juste archi faux
Curry/Ellis/Wright/Lee/Brown et un super banc ça termine entre la 3ème et la 8ème place sans problème même à l'Ouest
Martin Baratino ll a dit : Pour le nouveau FO c'est quand même dur de vendre le tankage dés le mois de Janvier alors qu'ils ont promis les POs, je le reconnais
Faut savoir ce que tu veux, mon grand.
Et puis, le FO n'a qu'à pas promettre des choses qu'ils savent impossible à tenir, surtout que personne n'annonce clairement vouloir tanker. (Regarde NO justement)
L'effectif est (était) pas mal sur le papier, mais avec un coach rookie et une organisation toujours aussi bordélique, une place en POs était déjà très compromise....
Pour le nouveau FO c'est quand même dur de vendre le tankage dés le mois de Janvier alors qu'ils ont promis les POs, je le reconnais
Ce qui est dur surtout c'est de devoir absorber le passif des dirigeants précédents vis à vis des fans
Par contre ne pas avoir amnistié Biedrins en début de saison est inadmissible et démanteler l'équipe juste au moment où elle commençait à trouver une chemistry interessante est également incompréhensible
Perdu pour perdu il fallait garder Ellis et Udoh, puis jouer la petite chance de qualif jusqu'au bout
Mais peu importe ça ne change rien à ce que je pense de la loterie
Créer des règles qui incitent une team sur trois à perdre le plus de matchs possible des semaines (des mois) avant la fin c'est juste débile et c'est la crédibilité de la compétition toute entière que ça remet en cause
Pareil pour les 16 teams qualifiées qui pour certaines ont un bien plus mauvais bilan que certaines loterie teams
Je milite plus que jamais pour un tableau ouvert avec les 16 meilleurs sans distinction des Confs
Ce n'est pas le système qui est mauvais, mais bien les abrutis qui gèrent cette franchise (Ils ont beau avoir changé de proprios et de coach, ils sont toujours aussi cons...) y'a qu'à voir comment San Antonio a obtenu Duncan.
Si des le départ, ils avaient tanké, ils seraient dans les 3 derniers mais comme d'hab, un jour ils se disent qu'ils peuvent se qualifier pour les POs et ça joue, et le lendemain Curry n'a plus de cheville et l'infirmerie se remplit d'autres blessés, puis Monta Ellis est tradé et ces cons se rendent compte maintenant qu'ils ont limite gagné trop de games !
Les confortables 3 èmes de la Conférence ont du attendre les 30 dernières secondes du match pour repasser devant et finalement gagner contre des sous chèvres (Jenkins, Thompson, Wright, Lee et Tyler) 3 rookies, une passoire en défense et un mec qui cette saison n'est plus que l'ombre de ce qu'il était l'an passé
On a beau tout faire pour perdre on a toujours beaucoup de mal à y arriver, même avec cette équipe en carton, face aux "grands" Lakers
Cette défaite malheureusement ne servira sans doute à rien car autant il est possible en 20 matchs de remonter au classement, autant c'est quasiment impossible de descendre face à des teams qui tankent comme des porcs
La NBA a un gros problème avec ce système de draft qui en 1ère analyse semble être une bonne formule équitable, mais qui en réalité est complétement merdique
A un tiers de la fin de saison, 9 teams qui n'ont d'autres ambitions que de perdre le plus de games possible et parmi elles quelques une qui n'ont même pas attendu la mi saison pour s'y mettre, franchement c'est naze et ça touche toute la NBA
Pour revenir aux Warriors une fois de plus ils ont tout faux concernant la stratégie :
Ils tankent beaucoup trop tard et pourtant c'est pas faute de l'avoir dit, et en plus ils ne se sont pas donné les moyens de jouer leur chances de qualif pour les POs à fond, contrairement à ce que le FO avait pourtant déclaré
Car GSW a sabordé son équipe en dégageant Udoh et Ellis contre rien.. au moment même où ils étaient revenu dans la course à la qualif (contre toute attente, moi y c )
Quand on voit ce que fait le banc depuis le trade et les perfs en dents de scie des Poffables, on ne peut s'empecher de penser une fois de plus à un gros gachis
Le bilan je crois qu'on peut déjà le faire : le seul joueur dont on ne pouvait se passer est out au bout de quelques games donc pas de POs et en + perte de notre 1er tour de draft
Tellement Warriors !
Rappel :
Le pick des W's est Top7 protected, au delà UTA le récupère
Pour ma démo je n'ai retenu que 9 teams car je considère que les 21 autres ont encore une chance de se qualifier pour les POs et donc continuent à se battre pour cet objectif
Le 1er tableau correspond au schedule croisé de ces 9 teams, le dernier c'est le classement final en cas de scenario catastrophe
Le scénario catastrophe est le suivant :
- jusqu'à la fin de la saison ces 9 teams ne gagnent plus un seul match face au Top 21 de la NBA
- les seules Wins supplémentaires de ces 9 teams interviennent lors des confrontations directes
- CHA, la team actuellement la plus mal classée fait le plein, WAS gagne tout sauf CHA et ainsi de suite
Mauvaise semaine pour les Warriors qui ajoutent 2 W à leur compteur et perdent ainsi encore un peu plus de terrain sur la concurrence
Les 6 teams de l'Est continuent à se moquer du monde, bien qu'évoluant dans une Conf de merde elles cumulent 5 Wins en tout cette semaine pendant que les 3 représentants de l'Ouest en signent 6
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Samefisto a dit : Triste ce qui arrive à cette franchise. La blessure de Brown les a fait passer de 1er ou 2ème de la conférence ouest à une équipe des bas fond de la conférence. Avec en prime la perte de son meilleur joueur.
Derrière OKC et SAS toutes les autres teams à l'Ouest ont un niveau proche Si on peut finir 8 ème on peut finir 3 ème A se demander si tu suis la saison entre deux mouchamerdages
J'essaye, j'essaye. Sinon, non, finir 8eme ne veut pas dire que tu aurais pu finir 3ème. LA est meilleur que Houston ou Denver, faut pas déconner. Puis toi tu disais que GS, sans blessure, pouvait terminer devant les Lakers. C'est totalement utopique. Les Lakers devraient au final être 2ème ou 3ème... Jamais GS aurait pu finir à une des 2 premiers places.
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Portland a quand même fait un bon gros coup avec ce trade
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